Keyboard Layout Survey

[Edmond D]

On 5/5/2022 at 8:34 AM, svenvandevelde said:

Touché!

Rarely heard in my experience with speaking Quebecois. I've heard other "choice" words, none of them should be said in public, plus my horrible spelling (any language) would prevent me from writing them here.

 

[svenvandevelde]

On 5/5/2022 at 6:05 PM, Edmond D said:

Rarely heard in my experience with speaking Quebecois. I've heard other "choice" words, none of them should be said in public, plus my horrible spelling (any language) would prevent me from writing them here.



 

There are obscure dialects in domestic Wallon regions which probably would increase the likelihood of fluent communication between Belgians and Quebecians ?

[Edmond D]

On 5/5/2022 at 10:18 AM, svenvandevelde said:

There are obscure dialects in domestic Wallon regions which probably would increase the likelihood of fluent communication between Belgians and Quebecians ?

I found that Belgians appreciated my attempts to communicate; Parisians wanted to communicate a few choice words AT me. ?



Anyway, I think having multiple language for keyboard layouts is going to help the X16. 

Perhaps someone has a list of how many different languages the C64 or Atari had back in the day.

 

[XTronical]

809 United Kingdom 

[BruceMcF]

On 5/3/2022 at 10:56 PM, Michael Steil said:

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  The Japanese layout doesn't seem to be too useful, since the ISO-8859-15 encoding can't map any of the Kana characters, so it's very close to a US keyboard, no?
  

If Japanese speaking people want to get the Japanese 80s retro experience, that would be JIS X 0201, which combines a slightly modified 7bit ASCII with 64 half width Katakana characters in the upper half of the character set, and the Japanese keyboard layout would work with that just fine.

Going from that to JIS X 0208, which includes over 6,300 Kanji characters, would be a bit more of a challenge (to put it mildly).

[mobluse]

PS/2 keyboards:

0000041D Swedish *3 (I would prefer 0000083B Swedish with Sami to the degree that can be implemented with ISO8859-15 characters.)

00000409 US *2 (I would prefer EurKEY, but US International with AltGr dead keys is OK.)

Below keyboards work only in emulators, unless an adapter works:

USB keyboards:

00000809 United Kingdom (I would like a layout similar to EurKEY.)

00000406 Danish

Bluetooth keyboard:

Nordic layout i.e. these on top of each other, but with different colors where there is conflict:

00000414 Norwegian (I think the Norwegian layout is best among the Nordic since it has | and \ easily accessible.)

00000406 Danish

0000041D Swedish

0000040B Finnish (Same as Swedish.)

I have another bluetooth keyboard:

00000409 US, but with Å Ä Ö also printed on [ ' ; and that is supported in Linux ("Swedish - Swedish (US, with Swedish letters)").

I have laptops with Nordic layout; also for emulator use.

[Cyber]

On 5/4/2022 at 5:56 AM, Michael Steil said:

Thanks for all your input. Together with data I have from 2019, I have compiled the following list, in the order that F9 will cycle through them:



00020409 United States-International

00000809 United Kingdom

0000041D Swedish

00000407 German

00000406 Danish

00000410 Italian

00000415 Polish (Programmers)

00000414 Norwegian

0000040E Hungarian

0000040A Spanish

0000040B Finnish

00000416 Portuguese (Brazil ABNT)

00000405 Czech

00000411 Japanese

0000040C French

00000807 Swiss German

00010409 United States-Dvorak

00000425 Estonian

0000080C Belgian French

00001009 Canadian French

0000040F Icelandic

00000816 Portuguese

0000080A Latin American

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  The ROM bank is still only 2/3 full. Who can think of other useful layouts?
  


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  Any comments on the order?
  


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  The Japanese layout doesn't seem to be too useful, since the ISO-8859-15 encoding can't map any of the Kana characters, so it's very close to a US keyboard, no?
  

What about cyrillic (russian, ukrainian, etc.)?

[Michael Steil]

On 5/7/2022 at 10:48 AM, Cyber said:

What about cyrillic (russian, ukrainian, etc.)?

The built-in character sets don't have Cyrillic glyphs, so supporting a Cyrillic keyboard layout wouldn't do much. Since keyboard layout files can be loaded from disk as well, and so can character sets, an application can be all Cyrillic quite easily!

[mobluse]

I believe most of those that use US International use the version with AltGr dead keys. The standard US International with dead keys affects the normal use of ` ~ ^ ' ", which is bad for programming e.g. C-like programming languages and Forth. Now X16 has US International with dead keys. If you want to type " now you have to type " and space.

[TomXP411]

On 5/7/2022 at 9:22 AM, mobluse said:

I believe most of those that use US International use the version with AltGr dead keys. The standard US International with dead keys affects the normal use of ` ~ ^ ' ", which is bad for programming e.g. C-like programming languages and Forth. Now X16 has US International with dead keys. If you want to type " now you have to type " and space.

It shouldn't be an issue if you're using PETSCII mode, since PETSCII mode doesn't use the dead keys or have diacritical marks.

I figure every programmer in the world who's not in the US deals with this every day. How do our friends in other countries deal with this? 

In my case, I have two layouts set up in Windows, and I can switch to the US-International layout when I need to work on non-English forms. I can just press Control-Alt-1 or Control-Alt-2 to quickly switch layouts on my work PC. (If I need to do something in another alphabet entirely, then I will copy and paste from a PDF.)

Either way - as you pointed out, getting the actual punctuation out of a "dead" key is just a matter of pressing that key twice, or pressing the space bar next.