Keyboard Layout Survey

[Michael Steil]

Thanks for everyone's suggestions; they were very valuable.

Now this is the next thing I'm asking for: I would like to have an "owner" for each keyboard layout. Someone who uses the layout and

• 
  can comment on whether the X16 version works as expected
  


• 
  can help replacing important characters not supported by ISO-8859-15 with ones that are
  


• 
  can help finding places where to put some remaining PETSCII codes
  

For example, the auto-converter for Windows layout definitions has this to say about Hungarian:

; PETSCII C64 keyboard regressions:

;   graph: '\xa4\xa6\xa8\xa9\xba' <--- *** THIS IS BAD! ***

; Keys outside of ISO-8859-15:

;   '¤¨´¸ĐđŁłŐőŰűˇ˘˙˛˝'

What needs fixing in this example:

• 
  The THIS IS BAD line means that 5 PETSCII graphical characters still need to be assigned key combinations, otherwise they cannot be typed in PETSCII mode.
  


• 
  "Keys outside of ISO-8859-15" means that on Windows, these characters can be typed, but the X16 charset doesn't have them. Which of these characters are important for Hungarian? The X16 charset does not have ő, but it does have ö – should we use that one instead?
  

All owners will get an everlasting special entry in the X16 credits. ?

This is the list of keyboards that I need help with:

1009   Canadian French

405    Czech

406    Danish

XX409  US - Colemak

10409  US - Dvorak

40A    Spanish

40B    Finnish

40C    French

40E    Hungarian

40F    Icelandic

410    Italian

411    Japanese

413    Dutch

414    Norwegian

415    Polish (Programmers)

416    Portuguese (Brazil ABNT)

41A    Croatian

41B    Slovak

41C    Albanian

41D    Swedish

424    Slovenian

425    Estonian

426    Latvian

427    Lithuanian IBM

807    Swiss German

80A    Latin American Spanish

80C    Belgian French

816    Portuguese

 

Please reach out to me by Email mist64@mac.com or on the X16 Discord. Thanks!

Please spread this message on other X16 channels so we can reach enough people to have one owner

[svenvandevelde]

On 5/12/2022 at 6:52 PM, Michael Steil said:

Thanks for everyone's suggestions; they were very valuable.



Now this is the next thing I'm asking for: I would like to have an "owner" for each keyboard layout. Someone who uses the layout and

• 
  can comment on whether the X16 version works as expected
  


• 
  can help replacing important characters not supported by ISO-8859-15 with ones that are
  


• 
  can help finding places where to put some remaining PETSCII codes
  

For example, the auto-converter for Windows layout definitions has this to say about Hungarian:

; PETSCII C64 keyboard regressions:

;   graph: '\xa4\xa6\xa8\xa9\xba' <--- *** THIS IS BAD! ***

; Keys outside of ISO-8859-15:

;   '¤¨´¸ĐđŁłŐőŰűˇ˘˙˛˝'

What needs fixing in this example:

• 
  The THIS IS BAD line means that 5 PETSCII graphical characters still need to be assigned key combinations, otherwise they cannot be typed in PETSCII mode.
  


• 
  "Keys outside of ISO-8859-15" means that on Windows, these characters can be typed, but the X16 charset doesn't have them. Which of these characters are important for Hungarian? The X16 charset does not have ő, but it does have ö – should we use that one instead?
  

All owners will get an everlasting special entry in the X16 credits. ?



This is the list of keyboards that I need help with:



1009   Canadian French

405    Czech

406    Danish

XX409  US - Colemak

10409  US - Dvorak

40A    Spanish

40B    Finnish

40C    French

40E    Hungarian

40F    Icelandic

410    Italian

411    Japanese

413    Dutch

414    Norwegian

415    Polish (Programmers)

416    Portuguese (Brazil ABNT)

41A    Croatian

41B    Slovak

41C    Albanian

41D    Swedish

424    Slovenian

425    Estonian

426    Latvian

427    Lithuanian IBM

807    Swiss German

80A    Latin American Spanish

80C    Belgian French

816    Portuguese

 



Please reach out to me by Email mist64@mac.com or on the X16 Discord. Thanks!



Please spread this message on other X16 channels so we can reach enough people to have one owner

I would like to be the owner of Belgian 80C. But a small suggestion, pls add belgian point keyboard as I have written, it is used by +/- 5 mio people. You can blame Napoleon for this fact.

[Michael Steil]

The current build, r41rc2 contains a new default keyboard, US, no dead keys, Mac-like:


 

[Michael Steil]

On 5/12/2022 at 7:15 PM, svenvandevelde said:

I would like to be the owner of Belgian 80C. But a small suggestion, pls add belgian point keyboard as I have written, it is used by +/- 5 mio people. You can blame Napoleon for this fact.

Belgian French (80C) and Belgian Period (813) are identical: http://kbdlayout.info/kbdbe - they only differ in whether their locale (fr-BE vs. nl-BE).

(Yay, we have our first owner! Can you reach out to me off-forum so we can discuss details?)

[DragonGaulois]

0000040C French

i use this one, thank you!

[GreenLion]

On 5/1/2022 at 10:28 AM, Michael Steil said:

00010409 United States-Dvorak

 

[aziro]

On 5/12/2022 at 6:52 PM, Michael Steil said:

...



For example, the auto-converter for Windows layout definitions has this to say about Hungarian:

; PETSCII C64 keyboard regressions:

;   graph: '\xa4\xa6\xa8\xa9\xba' <--- *** THIS IS BAD! ***

; Keys outside of ISO-8859-15:

;   '¤¨´¸ĐđŁłŐőŰűˇ˘˙˛˝'



 

Hungarians use two "special" letters: ŐőŰű. Additionally several letters from the standard 8859-1: áÁéÉíÍóÓöÖúÚüÜ and sometimes a german ä and ß too.

All letters have a special meaning - so without them the text barely readable.

[Espurration]

00010409 United States - Dvorak