Keyboard Layout Survey

Scott Robison · Post by **Scott Robison** » Tue May 03, 2022 4:51 am

On 5/2/2022 at 10:45 PM, SlithyMatt said:

You can get the whole roll of 1.5" stars if you make it as fast as a S/370

GOODY! Can I artificially slow down the S/370 to level the playing field?

Kyng · Post by **Kyng** » Tue May 03, 2022 4:53 am

Edmond D · Post by **Edmond D** » Tue May 03, 2022 5:38 am

On 5/2/2022 at 9:05 PM, kelli217 said:

Maybe someone could write an APL interpreter and/or compiler, and thus of course an APL keyboard would be a necessity—not to mention that the APL character set would also have to be supported...

There is a APL for the old Super PET, however it was written for the 6809 processor and not the 6502. I'd love to dabble with it on the X16, but that's perhaps a big ask. Related is that there are several languages for the X16 that aren't basic or assembly, which give the X16 some appeal beyond what one could do with a VIC-20. APL hasn't made it there yet....

borgar · Post by **borgar** » Tue May 03, 2022 6:25 am

00000414 Norwegian

Marko F. · Post by **Marko F.** » Tue May 03, 2022 12:38 pm

0000040B Finnish

SlithyMatt · Post by **SlithyMatt** » Tue May 03, 2022 2:17 pm

On 5/3/2022 at 12:51 AM, Scott Robison said:

GOODY! Can I artificially slow down the S/370 to level the playing field?

Build an S/370 emulator for the X16, and you have nowhere to go but up.

...sorry for distracting from the keyboard discussion. As long as US QWERTY is the default, it won't make a bit of difference to me. ?

Tatwi · Post by **Tatwi** » Tue May 03, 2022 2:58 pm

As a lifetime standard ANSI US 104 layout user, it pains me to say that the majority of laptops and Chromebooks sold in Canada come with a 00011009 Canadian Multilingual Standard keyboard. My kids use that layout. Bleh! ? Anyway, for what it's worth, it's a popular layout here.

Mikko Karjanmaa · Post by **Mikko Karjanmaa** » Tue May 03, 2022 9:40 pm

0000040B Finnish

BruceMcF · Post by **BruceMcF** » Tue May 03, 2022 10:51 pm

On 5/3/2022 at 12:05 AM, kelli217 said:

Maybe someone could write an APL interpreter and/or compiler, and thus of course an APL keyboard would be a necessity—not to mention that the APL character set would also have to be supported...

Except if it is J, and then 00000409 would be fine.

Michael Steil · Post by **Michael Steil** » Wed May 04, 2022 2:56 am

Thanks for all your input. Together with data I have from 2019, I have compiled the following list, in the order that F9 will cycle through them:

00020409 United States-International

00000809 United Kingdom

0000041D Swedish

00000407 German

00000406 Danish

00000410 Italian

00000415 Polish (Programmers)

00000414 Norwegian

0000040E Hungarian

0000040A Spanish

0000040B Finnish

00000416 Portuguese (Brazil ABNT)

00000405 Czech

00000411 Japanese

0000040C French

00000807 Swiss German

00010409 United States-Dvorak

00000425 Estonian

0000080C Belgian French

00001009 Canadian French

0000040F Icelandic

00000816 Portuguese

0000080A Latin American

The ROM bank is still only 2/3 full. Who can think of other useful layouts?

Any comments on the order?

The Japanese layout doesn't seem to be too useful, since the ISO-8859-15 encoding can't map any of the Kana characters, so it's very close to a US keyboard, no?