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Keyboard Layout Survey
Posted: Thu May 12, 2022 4:52 pm
by Michael Steil
Thanks for everyone's suggestions; they were very valuable.
Now this is the next thing I'm asking for: I would like to have an "owner" for each keyboard layout. Someone who uses the layout and
can comment on whether the X16 version works as expected
can help replacing important characters not supported by ISO-8859-15 with ones that are
can help finding places where to put some remaining PETSCII codes
For example, the auto-converter for Windows layout definitions has this to say about Hungarian:
; PETSCII C64 keyboard regressions:
; graph: '\xa4\xa6\xa8\xa9\xba' <--- *** THIS IS BAD! ***
; Keys outside of ISO-8859-15:
; '¤¨´¸ĐđŁłŐőŰűˇ˘˙˛˝'
What needs fixing in this example:
The THIS IS BAD line means that 5 PETSCII graphical characters still need to be assigned key combinations, otherwise they cannot be typed in PETSCII mode.
"Keys outside of ISO-8859-15" means that on Windows, these characters can be typed, but the X16 charset doesn't have them. Which of these characters are important for Hungarian? The X16 charset does not have ő, but it does have ö – should we use that one instead?
All owners will get an everlasting special entry in the X16 credits.
? This is the list of keyboards that I need help with:
1009 Canadian French
405 Czech
406 Danish
XX409 US - Colemak
10409 US - Dvorak
40A Spanish
40B Finnish
40C French
40E Hungarian
40F Icelandic
410 Italian
411 Japanese
413 Dutch
414 Norwegian
415 Polish (Programmers)
416 Portuguese (Brazil ABNT)
41A Croatian
41B Slovak
41C Albanian
41D Swedish
424 Slovenian
425 Estonian
426 Latvian
427 Lithuanian IBM
807 Swiss German
80A Latin American Spanish
80C Belgian French
816 Portuguese
Please reach out to me by Email mist64@mac.com or on the X16 Discord. Thanks!
Please spread this message on other X16 channels so we can reach enough people to have one owner
Keyboard Layout Survey
Posted: Thu May 12, 2022 5:15 pm
by svenvandevelde
On 5/12/2022 at 6:52 PM, Michael Steil said:
Thanks for everyone's suggestions; they were very valuable.
Now this is the next thing I'm asking for: I would like to have an "owner" for each keyboard layout. Someone who uses the layout and
can comment on whether the X16 version works as expected
can help replacing important characters not supported by ISO-8859-15 with ones that are
can help finding places where to put some remaining PETSCII codes
For example, the auto-converter for Windows layout definitions has this to say about Hungarian:
; PETSCII C64 keyboard regressions:
; graph: '\xa4\xa6\xa8\xa9\xba' <--- *** THIS IS BAD! ***
; Keys outside of ISO-8859-15:
; '¤¨´¸ĐđŁłŐőŰűˇ˘˙˛˝'
What needs fixing in this example:
The THIS IS BAD line means that 5 PETSCII graphical characters still need to be assigned key combinations, otherwise they cannot be typed in PETSCII mode.
"Keys outside of ISO-8859-15" means that on Windows, these characters can be typed, but the X16 charset doesn't have them. Which of these characters are important for Hungarian? The X16 charset does not have ő, but it does have ö – should we use that one instead?
All owners will get an everlasting special entry in the X16 credits.
? This is the list of keyboards that I need help with:
1009 Canadian French
405 Czech
406 Danish
XX409 US - Colemak
10409 US - Dvorak
40A Spanish
40B Finnish
40C French
40E Hungarian
40F Icelandic
410 Italian
411 Japanese
413 Dutch
414 Norwegian
415 Polish (Programmers)
416 Portuguese (Brazil ABNT)
41A Croatian
41B Slovak
41C Albanian
41D Swedish
424 Slovenian
425 Estonian
426 Latvian
427 Lithuanian IBM
807 Swiss German
80A Latin American Spanish
80C Belgian French
816 Portuguese
Please reach out to me by Email mist64@mac.com or on the X16 Discord. Thanks!
Please spread this message on other X16 channels so we can reach enough people to have one owner
I would like to be the owner of Belgian 80C. But a small suggestion, pls add belgian point keyboard as I have written, it is used by +/- 5 mio people. You can blame Napoleon for this fact.
Keyboard Layout Survey
Posted: Thu May 12, 2022 7:32 pm
by Michael Steil
The current build, r41rc2 contains a new default keyboard, US, no dead keys, Mac-like:
Keyboard Layout Survey
Posted: Fri May 13, 2022 5:25 am
by Michael Steil
On 5/12/2022 at 7:15 PM, svenvandevelde said:
I would like to be the owner of Belgian 80C. But a small suggestion, pls add belgian point keyboard as I have written, it is used by +/- 5 mio people. You can blame Napoleon for this fact.
Belgian French (80C) and Belgian Period (813) are identical:
http://kbdlayout.info/kbdbe - they only differ in whether their locale (fr-BE vs. nl-BE).
(Yay, we have our first owner! Can you reach out to me off-forum so we can discuss details?)
Keyboard Layout Survey
Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 12:19 am
by DragonGaulois
0000040C French i use this one, thank you!
Keyboard Layout Survey
Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 1:20 am
by GreenLion
On 5/1/2022 at 10:28 AM, Michael Steil said:
00010409 United States-Dvorak
Keyboard Layout Survey
Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:09 pm
by aziro
On 5/12/2022 at 6:52 PM, Michael Steil said:
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For example, the auto-converter for Windows layout definitions has this to say about Hungarian:
; PETSCII C64 keyboard regressions:
; graph: '\xa4\xa6\xa8\xa9\xba' <--- *** THIS IS BAD! ***
; Keys outside of ISO-8859-15:
; '¤¨´¸ĐđŁłŐőŰűˇ˘˙˛˝'
Hungarians use two "special" letters: ŐőŰű. Additionally several letters from the standard 8859-1: áÁéÉíÍóÓöÖúÚüÜ and sometimes a german ä and ß too.
All letters have a special meaning - so without them the text barely readable.
Keyboard Layout Survey
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:50 pm
by Espurration
00010409 United States - Dvorak