Missing post

Scott Robison · Post by **Scott Robison** » Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:40 pm

I have a question. I posted something in reply to a post within the last few hours. It is missing. There are several possibilities for this. One is a technology fault that lost the post after I clicked submit. One is that someone reported it (I don't think it was bad, but it was definitely not a "happy post" either) and it is now hidden. Another is that someone might have deleted it.

I'm wondering if there is any way to know which of these possibilities (or others I can't think of at the moment) it might be. Can a thread author delete replies to their thread, or is that only a moderator / administrator function?

I'm just trying to ensure that my participation in the community is appropriate. To do that I need to know when and if I've done something wrong so that I can moderate my behavior in the future if required.

Oldrooster · Post by **Oldrooster** » Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:21 pm

Hello Scott, I do not reply anymore to your messages in the thread I started as you've burnt your bridges there with the insults.

I do not mind replying here as it is not in the wrong place. The HARUNA thread would be the wrong place for this message and your last two posts in the thread, would you please remove them. I'm happy to remove this message after you've read it, I don't want to embarrass you, I simply wish to help you by answering your query above. I reported your message as it was a blatant personal and obvious attack, regardless of how you may now remember it. Even if you can't recall it, I can, and the system can so the moderators can still see that deleted message. So further messages saying that you haven't attacked me, like your last posts which are still there, are neither welcome nor plausible.

So the answer to your question is this, I reported your message as a personal attack, the message was deleted soon after. I did not delete your message. I do not know of any way to delete other peoples messages. I don't think thread starters have any special functions available. If you start a thread, or have started threads before, you can see this. I have not had any message from the moderator to myself, and consider that normal. Running any public website where content is put up is difficult and there is a great deal of work to do in moderating it especially when things are 'live'. There is a LOT of work required to keep things clear of spam and so on.

If I had the opportunity to delete your messages, I would avoid doing it myself even if I had the ability to do so, as I am involved in it, and it is proper form to have someone else, not involved, also second the opinion that it is for example, a personal attack.

In regards to moderating yourself, if I may prompt your memory you said I was "snide, sarcastic and condescending" I think now you may be calm, and remember, and everything will be alright.

I actually can't find a copy of the 'rules' for this website, but most websites have pretty much similar 'rules'. No personal attacks, no calls to break the law, no breaking the law with illegal content, stay on topic if there is one, avoid anything that causes more work for the website owners/operators.

That's pretty much why I ask you to remove your two last messages in the thread I started, they are not about HARUNA, if you pretend you are not Scott, but you pretend to be a person who would like to know about HARUNA, and read the thread and ask yourself do your last two messages assist people with valuable information, or do they get in the way and make it difficult to find anything they may be looking for ?

Anyhow, I do hope this helps you, and let me know when I should delete it and I shall, and I hope to work with you soon. Please don't hijack my thread and fill it up with NOT-HARUNA please just leave the thread alone for a while, Private message me if you like to, if your not yelling or insulting I'd give you some of my time.

Scott Robison · Post by **Scott Robison** » Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:38 pm

While it has subsequently disappeared, I don't know if the responder deleted their post or if it was deleted by someone else. I did see it briefly before it disappeared and I now have the answer. To summarize:

1. The author of the original post I replied to felt attacked by my post, reported it, and it was subsequently removed (whether by deletion, hiding, whatever isn't relevant.)

2. I will definitely not be continuing to engage the original author, as there is too great a chance that my words will be misunderstood or twisted to mean things other than what I wrote. There are enough examples of my attempts to engage that person up to now that haven't been deleted to I think effectively demonstrate my point. And there are months of my activity on this site to demonstrate that I am not some internet troll.

3. The deleted post was made in good faith in a hope that it would motivate the original author to learn how better to interact in a community such as this. It didn't use kid gloves, but it accurately reflected the state of discourse on that thread. I should have known better than to have bothered trying to help someone who obviously doesn't want help but instead wants an echo chamber of positivity on a topic that has precious little information available upon which to base such positivity.

TomXP411 · Post by **TomXP411** » Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:21 pm

I'm not even sure who the moderators are, at the moment. Perifractic was perhaps the most regular poster of those in the mod/admin groups, but he's moved on to bigger and better. Of the other people in the Moderators group, I don't think any of them post regularly. That means this message may never get read unless you tag a specific person who may have responded to a report.

Should I report your post, to get a moderator's attention? That seems like an abuse of the reporting system, tho.

Scott Robison · Post by **Scott Robison** » Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:42 pm

There seems to be plenty of reporting system abuse going around, so have at it! ?

I didn't know who to ask, so this seemed like the only place to pose the question that was half way appropriate. In looking at the list of admins and moderators, I didn't want to spam anyone/everyone.

More than anything I just wanted to know what happened: Was there a technical glitch, did topic creators have some moderation ability I was unaware of, or was it reported and deleted? I now have the answer to that question.

I feel like my deleted reply was very pointed, but I did not feel it was an attack. If someone would have contacted me to let me know that it went beyond the pale, then I could adjust behavior. In this case, I don't know if it was considered inappropriate or deleted without reading the entire thread just to placate the reporter or something else entirely. I believe that anyone reading that entire thread from beginning to end would see that my missing reply addressed a real defect in the discussion. Not one that required admin or moderator intervention, however.

I just don't understand how someone can come into a forum that exists primarily for the purpose of promoting the Commander x16 which will feature FPGA, microcontroller, through hole PCB, and other bits of modern technology, be insulting toward such things as being ugly and garbage, which is dismissive of the people who support such things, and not expect a certain amount of pushback.

My biggest problem is that I forget that some people do not want to hear anything critical ever. I expect that people can have a disagreement yet still have a civil discussion without taking action to "suppress" (not the best word, just the best one I have at the moment) the speech of others.

EMwhite · Post by **EMwhite** » Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:53 am

Maybe reach out to MattGrandis I think he is closest thing they have to a moderator or WebMaster, if such a role exists.

As for what you may have said, I missed it but can tell you that one of my posts was censored because I had an opinion that was not popular. There was no profanity or slander involved, it was just my opinion and the post was edited; inserted a 'redacted' note instead. If your post was flat out deleted, I would expect that they would inform or issue a warning. Could have been a system issue but who knows.

Oldrooster · Post by **Oldrooster** » Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:59 am

Have you tried to Private message the thread starter, rather than say, discussing it every other place, with every other person ?

Scott Robison · Post by **Scott Robison** » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:10 am

I have no interest in private communications with someone who does not understand basic communication, who alleges attacks that do not exist (and I'm not talking about my post, I'm talking about multiple posts that are still public). I'd rather my communication be in the open so that there is no doubt about what I said.

Starting a thread and posting denigrating comments about technologies and techniques that apply to the very reason this forum exists. Calling them "ugly". It's hyperbole. And that's fine. I thought you were interesting in having a dialog, give and take. You aren't. So that's fine. Go about your business. I still wish your project success, but I'm not interested at this point in being insulted and condescended to.

Oldrooster · Post by **Oldrooster** » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:10 am

7 hours ago, Scott Robison said:

I just don't understand how someone can come into a forum that exists primarily for the purpose of promoting the Commander x16 which will feature FPGA, microcontroller, through hole PCB, and other bits of modern technology, be insulting toward such things as being ugly and garbage, which is dismissive of the people who support such things, and not expect a certain amount of pushback.

I personally love microcontrollers and to a lesser extent FGPA however, as much as I love them, I don't think I would like to see them in the HARUNA any more than my breakfast cereal. Where have I ever been insulting to ugly garbage in places other than the design of the HARUNA. If I saw sausages stapled onto the Mona Lisa, I'd call her lips ugly, but I'd love a sausage sandwich right now.

Scott Robison · Post by **Scott Robison** » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:19 am

9 minutes ago, Oldrooster said:

I personally love microcontrollers and to a lesser extent FGPA however, as much as I love them, I don't think I would like to see them in the HARUNA any more than my breakfast cereal. Where have I ever been insulting to ugly garbage in places other than the design of the HARUNA. If I saw sausages stapled onto the Mona Lisa, I'd call her lips ugly, but I'd love a sausage sandwich right now.

If I have misunderstood your use of language, then I apologize. But your posts in the other thread ramble about how great things are going to be with this project without providing critical details. The explanations are lacking. Yet when asked for simple answers to questions, you spend far more time posting about how you don't have time to answer the question asked than it would have taken to just answer the question. I don't have the time or inclination to even go back to the other thread at this point, but the commentary about how PCB must be a certain way and how FPGA is ugly and whatever else is jumbled up in my mind right now implies, or causes one to infer, that anything other than your dream computer, if it uses manufactured PCBs or FPGA or other modern tech is garbage.

Maybe you didn't mean it that way. Yet when I tried to gain clarification, I was talked down to.

You ask why I haven't bothered to privately message you to discuss this, and I've explained why. More to the point, that's a two way street. You could have privately messaged me at any point, but instead you handled it differently. Pot, meet kettle.

In the meantime, I don't understand how you don't have time to answer simple questions in the other thread because of how demanding the task of writing the user guide is, yet you still keep showing up in other threads going on about things. NONE OF THIS NEED EVER HAVE HAPPENED had you provided a simple answer to the questions "where can I go find more". I'm not the only person asking that question by the way. Either the info doesn't exist (which would be a legitimate answer) or you don't want to provide it (I can't imagine why that would be).

If you want to be a project ambassador to attract people to it, I think you're failing. At least you are with me. Otherwise, keep it up, you're doing great.